Keyboard Shortcuts. Home Messages Hashtags. Crispincousins Topics. Search Cancel. Topics Messages Expanded Polls. Between and. Date - of previous page next page. I might be more amenable to the thought but for the Senlis factor in our story. Why would they heed his words? Perhaps Ives of Creil at Senlis might have enough credibility. In some part, this is the broader question of the co-mingling of Norse and Franks.
It matters to us because families of the Shire Wood have Belleme kin. I went back for another look at this which requires some consideration of 10th century conditions on the ground in Frankia.
In the exercise, the ancestor gods pointed to a footnote and I hunted it up. An intriguing possibility is on offer in this post and some thoughts carry forward in the next. Ives de Creil the balesterius and Ives de Belleme are not the same man, yet both seem to be Creil. It would be more confusing if they each married women of the same name, which I find is at the least, possible.
In this case it was easier to use the Geni files referencing FMG files. Geni has a file for Fulcuin de Belleme, Count of Cordoba sic. About 10 miles from Belleme. Ives does this with consent of his sisters Billehendis and Eremburge, and his maternal uncles Seinfridi and Guillaume. Rothais had a sister Godehildis, brothers Guillaume and Seinfrid. And Seinfrid had a wife Hildeberge and a son Aubrey. Rohais has a son, Ives de Belleme m. I believe this is where a misunderstanding has occurred.
This Ives de Creil is not the balesterius. Suppose this Ives de Creil de Belleme was namesake and heir of the balesterius, as a nephew. In practice it was a family business, successive in most seats. A bit of a fig leaf is employed as the seat often transfers via a nephew. Sometimes the son of a niece. A bishopric vacancy gets filled usually with kin of the local Count and his choice of which kinsman succeeds. The Count of Maine is unlikely to willingly nominate another Belleme.
